tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post4709258226863892887..comments2024-03-15T00:16:07.218-07:00Comments on STUFF CHRISTIAN CULTURE LIKES: #97 Not healthcare reformstephyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10047873385595074389noreply@blogger.comBlogger182125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-80436798046026237542012-06-28T10:43:44.318-07:002012-06-28T10:43:44.318-07:00The problem is not the providing of health care to...The problem is not the providing of health care to the poor or needy. The problem is being forced to choose government health care which is a violation of liberty.<br /><br />Second, I am 100% for taking care of people. But I am 100% against being forced to do so by the government.<br /><br />Healthcare and Welfare alike must start first within the family and in the local community and people must be given the liberty to choose.giant slayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13050650017390324162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-82781827512916258592009-10-22T15:02:32.601-07:002009-10-22T15:02:32.601-07:00I just don't get why socialism is such a bad t...<i>I just don't get why socialism is such a bad thing in the eyes of some religions...</i><br />It isn't. <br /><br />That view is held by some people (of various religions), but I don't see how or why it could be equated with the actual core beliefs of any of the major world religions.spinning in airhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758973689640930723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-64152678166488617282009-10-20T13:04:46.016-07:002009-10-20T13:04:46.016-07:00As a Canadian we can try and be all better than US...As a Canadian we can try and be all better than US about this, but when health care reform originally came through here the doctors went on strike in protest. I think it takes time for people to realise the benefits of something new that can be in some ways restrictive. And I'm still grateful I have health coverage at my job...we still pay for prescriptions and the like. I do like knowing that if I"m sick I'll be treated regardless of the hospital I go to or the health coverage I have.<br />I think it is appropriate to take others $$ if it wil lbe put towards things like health care and proper nutrition programs for people. Yes our taxes are paid to give us many good things, but there is a lot of wastage and funding that could be given to health care that isn't. Trust me...I work in the system...<br /><br />I just don't get why socialism is such a bad thing in the eyes of some religions...<br /><br />PS-I personally know Peter T and find him to be a fine 9albiet rebuttal loving) guy :)Geosominhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15729167937433295927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-84631057516115183882009-10-20T06:07:48.418-07:002009-10-20T06:07:48.418-07:00He fought oppressive taxation, for one thing. :)He fought oppressive taxation, for one thing. :)Peter T Chattawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395937367596387523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-67221264207986561212009-10-20T04:08:54.958-07:002009-10-20T04:08:54.958-07:00Peter,
Ironic to see that the first of your favou...Peter,<br /><br />Ironic to see that the first of your favourite films listed on your blog page is 'The Adventures of ROBIN HOOD'... <br /><br />Now what was it that Robin Hood stood for again?Noellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955066755063050157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-71523173331803269822009-10-15T09:29:28.186-07:002009-10-15T09:29:28.186-07:00You don't get it.You don't get it.stephyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10047873385595074389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-53648435628593875462009-10-15T09:04:31.648-07:002009-10-15T09:04:31.648-07:00Well, Christianity, per se, says nothing about soc...Well, Christianity, <i>per se</i>, says nothing about socializing the health-care system, so there is nothing to preach there, much less anything to practice -- especially in a country that is explicitly committed to church-state separation. As it is, Christians have always played a big role in creating hospitals and the like, and I'd be interested in seeing how their charitable giving compares to that of others.Peter T Chattawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395937367596387523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-87182949555669267172009-10-15T08:35:04.036-07:002009-10-15T08:35:04.036-07:00I think Hugh's point is "Christians don&#...I think Hugh's point is "Christians don't practice what they preach."stephyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10047873385595074389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-57700585631411756322009-10-15T08:26:21.282-07:002009-10-15T08:26:21.282-07:00The USA prides itself on being a Christian country...<i>The USA prides itself on being a Christian country . . .</i><br /><br />In the 1950s, maybe. Not so much now. Even Bush presented himself as an interfaith multiculturalist kind of guy. How much more so Obama.<br /><br /><i>. . . so what do you think it looks like from the outside, say to a Muslim, when you fail to provide free health care to the poor and needy?</i><br /><br />Questions: How does Islam compare to Christianity in its admonitions about caring for the poor? And how do explicitly Muslim countries compare to your implicitly Christian country in their actual treatment of the poor?Peter T Chattawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395937367596387523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-28281878148876834852009-10-15T03:35:08.426-07:002009-10-15T03:35:08.426-07:00Kim, I think you missed the post which pointed ou...Kim, I think you missed the post which pointed out that for some low paid workers it would take 40-70% of their take-home pay to buy into the scheme provided by their employers - a good option if you don't need a home or to eat.<br /><br />Can I just put another perspective on this subject. The USA prides itself on being a Christian country so what do you think it looks like from the outside, say to a Muslim, when you fail to provide free health care to the poor and needy?Still Breathinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15978442035953135900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-67643961967605980082009-10-15T02:24:54.927-07:002009-10-15T02:24:54.927-07:00Hello
It is up to individuals to obtain health ins...Hello<br />It is up to individuals to obtain health insurance. Most Americans obtain coverage through their employers, but others sign up for private insurance schemes.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.vitabits.fr/selecteur-de-maladies/grippe" rel="nofollow">h1n1</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014306658122882642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-60307949046176845352009-10-03T09:38:18.825-07:002009-10-03T09:38:18.825-07:00Uh, hardly.Uh, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn" rel="nofollow">hardly</a>.Peter T Chattawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395937367596387523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-86396597740655188172009-10-03T09:28:53.070-07:002009-10-03T09:28:53.070-07:00Hahaha Peter got pwned.Hahaha Peter got pwned.stephyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10047873385595074389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-37990408844079965282009-10-03T09:07:18.580-07:002009-10-03T09:07:18.580-07:00Oh, please, not another person who claims to know ...Oh, please, not another person who claims to know me but keeps their identity secret.<br /><br />As someone almost said here, "Why is it that people who rant about conservatives always comment anonymously?" :)<br /><br />Anyway, the question isn't whether anybody is on the "fringe" of anything. Canada is on the "fringe" of the United States, but Obamacare fans don't seem to mind.Peter T Chattawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395937367596387523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-993185915178421562009-10-03T08:07:31.980-07:002009-10-03T08:07:31.980-07:00I personally know Peter Chattaway and I am here to...I personally know Peter Chattaway and I am here to testify that he represents a fringe of Canadian politics. That's why he talks loud and does long, ranting posts.<br />Do not think that in Canada that there are a lot of people who agree with his wing-nut political views. He's better off writing film reviews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-32716862149710728582009-10-01T11:50:20.876-07:002009-10-01T11:50:20.876-07:00Love this picture! My thoughts exactly.Love this picture! My thoughts exactly.nadine.whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14432708836770541167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-64918536659358558162009-09-30T15:36:11.093-07:002009-09-30T15:36:11.093-07:00Love your blog!!
Also love the Canadian healthcar...Love your blog!!<br /><br />Also love the Canadian healthcare system. Having lived in the US since 1995, I can truly say that I Hate the American one.<br /><br />Why? When I almost died from an asthma attack in Minneapolis, MN, I was hit with a hospital and ambulance bill of over $6,000.00. Thank God that since I was a Canadian citizen, the Canadian government paid the bill and even offered to transfer me to a Canadian hospital!! In Canada, my many trips to the emergency room cost my family nothing.<br /><br />My family, who still live in Canada, have nothing but praise for their healthcare system, and look with amazement at all the right wing-manufactured drama going on down here.<br /><br />I am extremely proud of President Obama and hope that his healthcare reform passes. The Democrats have enough Senators and Congressmen to pass a comprehensive health plan - with or without the public option. Just do it already!<br /><br />P.S. Since "Stuff Christian Culture Likes" was linked on an atheist blog, I assumed this would be a Christian-bashing website - glad to see that I was wrong.Karen Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-66066771497907646092009-09-29T20:20:25.388-07:002009-09-29T20:20:25.388-07:00Isn't it ironic that all these republicans who...Isn't it ironic that all these republicans who are worried about their "freedom" being taken away with something like health care reform were the same ones that were all for the Patriot Act?Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-70311848654826865162009-09-29T11:53:26.853-07:002009-09-29T11:53:26.853-07:00I think your confused with Hollywood and the liber...I think your confused with Hollywood and the liberals, who were leaving if Bush won a 2nd term, I gues they didn't want to pay 50% tax rate, not about healthcare for them, they just pay and the Dr. comes to them.<br /><br />Most Christians I know Love America and it's freedom's they just don't want to lose those freedomsRich E Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08114713341956462326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-5191025021533889932009-09-26T08:54:30.730-07:002009-09-26T08:54:30.730-07:00Ah, of course. I should have guessed. :)Ah, of course. I should have guessed. :)The Prufroquettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243303324008533727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-25755069461338578912009-09-25T20:40:27.198-07:002009-09-25T20:40:27.198-07:00Didn't take long at all. Ctrl-F is a wonderful...Didn't take long at all. Ctrl-F is a wonderful thing. :)Peter T Chattawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395937367596387523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-90540260178313147752009-09-25T20:25:17.234-07:002009-09-25T20:25:17.234-07:00Oops. I just reread my comments and I didn't ...Oops. I just reread my comments and I didn't make it as clear as I had intended that I was discussing the sociohistorical influence of Christianity on specifically Western society, government and culture. Even my "we" was ambiguous.<br /><br />Sorry about that. <br /><br />(P.S. Peter, your last comment was positively mellow! :) Good stuff. And I think it's hilarious that you counted all your "perhapses" in this thread. That must have taken awhile...)The Prufroquettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243303324008533727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-54582374211172964032009-09-25T19:28:32.352-07:002009-09-25T19:28:32.352-07:00Henry, as I mentioned in one of my earlier comment...Henry, as I mentioned in one of my earlier comments, my son is autistic, and I can definitely say that I am grateful for the disability benefits that we have received here in Canada. Even better, I am grateful for the fact that we have received these benefits with relatively little fuss, and that we have even received benefits we didn't know we were applying for. (If you apply for some things, you automatically get processed for other things, apparently.) I was just talking to an American colleague of mine who tells me that he has had such difficulty getting the benefits that his autistic son is legally entitled to that he has had to hire <i>lawyers</i> to pursue those benefits (and he hasn't got them yet). So I don't take what I have for granted. And I certainly think some sort of baseline of care is in the public interest.<br /><br />But as I also mentioned before, if we had been forced to rely on the public system exclusively, we would have had to wait a lot longer to become eligible for funding and/or treatment. And the earlier you intervene, they say, the better. In this area, at least, Canada does allow for some degree of private care, and it's all to the good.<br /><br />The question facing Canadians is why the state should have a monopoly in other aspects of healthcare, such that private care is denied to those who need it badly and can afford to pay for it. And the question facing Americans is why the state should reduce what little choice the consumer has, instead of expanding it, and whether the state is justified in making some people's healthcare worse in the name of equality (or whatever virtue is being appealed to here).Peter T Chattawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395937367596387523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-72727048204399589032009-09-25T19:02:07.043-07:002009-09-25T19:02:07.043-07:00I certainly agree with you, Henry, that many other...I certainly agree with you, Henry, that many other religions and philosophies besides Christianity have made significant (and sometimes less violent) humanitarian contributions to human society as a whole. I would never minimize that, which is why I restricted my commentary to the West, where Christianity had its primary influence.<br /><br />I don't know enough about Druidism in its historic or present forms to offer any informed discussion, but I have studied a little of Eastern religions and philosophy, and have deeply enjoyed them all. The general unwillingness of Christian culture to widen its scopes to learn about (and from!) other belief systems for their own sake saddens me.The Prufroquettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243303324008533727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776387418775994830.post-57198760272334599092009-09-25T18:32:08.759-07:002009-09-25T18:32:08.759-07:00while i agree that we should not get too carried a...while i agree that we should not get too carried away with taxes, i don't think we are in that position. looking at my paychecks in three countries, i found my income taxes to be quite similar in all three. yet, the UK and Japan get a whole host of social services that we do not. example: people with Autism Spectrum Disorder get free support services and disability benefits in the UK. i am a person that believes that the term 'too generous' is used by stingy people. one cannot be 'too generous'; we all are almost always not generous enough.<br /><br />not to nitpick, but Buddhism, Taoism and other philosophies and faiths have also contributed to compassion in society and government. and often without the bloody history. how many times have you ever read about violent Buddhist armies or extremists?<br /><br />Japan is not a Christian society; it is a generally secular Buddhist/Shinto mix. however, they have socialized health care. they also have a far larger sense of working for the good of the group.<br /><br />Gandhi was Hindu. and as stated earlier, i am a Taoist and Druid.<br /><br />i think the problem in the US is the extent to which people define 'independence'. it seems to have changed from a sense of hard work in obtaining goals for oneself, to working only for yourself.nomadHARhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09677918542308813825noreply@blogger.com